Monday, November 1, 2010

Why I don't vote

Edited to add below. 


As a citizen of the US, I have a right to vote. However, I do not exercise this right, because I believe that based on the Bible, it is wrong for women to vote. 

Now, I am not trying to convince any other ladies of my beliefs. I simply wanted to share some Bible verses of why I believe what I believe, because I have been asked about it repeatedly. 

1Timothy 2:12  - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 

Based on the Bible, it is wrong for women to exercise authority over men. However, women voting can lead to a passing of laws that the majority of men would oppose. One example of this is abortion - more than 50% of men are against it, but more than 50% of women are for it, which is why it is legal. 

Most anyone would agree that in a democratic republic such as the US, the voting citizens are the final authority, not some monarch or ruling class (at least in theory). Hence, I do not wish to be part of the voting pool, because I do not believe it is right for women to be in charge.

Isaiah 3:12  - As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. 

How true this verse is in today's world. Seems that so many parents live in fear of their children, who dictate their lives. And yes, having women rulers/politicians is mentioned as a curse in the Bible. I DO NOT support any women politicians. They are way outside the natural role that God intended for them, and as such, are not qualified. 

It is not because women are inferior or less intelligent. They simply fulfill a different role. Man was created by God for a certain purpose, and so was woman. If each fulfilled his God-given role, they would be happier in life, and our society would greatly benefit. I wonder if Sarah Palin would have chosen to stay at home and rear her own children rather than run for political office if it would have saved her daughter from being a single teen mom.

1Timothy 5:14 - I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully

Squares are not better than circles, but good luck trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I mean, maybe you could hammer it in there somehow, but it is not the way it was intended, offers no benefits, and will likely cause some sort of damage. 

Saying that I think women should not vote (for whatever reason) is considered near insanity these days. However, that thinking was the norm not even a century ago. The Founding Fathers quite obviously believed differently than we do today. Not that society or our forefathers were automatically right on everything, but obviously my position is not just some absurdity - it used to be as natural as air for most of human history. 

So now maybe we women are "liberated" and "get" to vote, but at what cost? Is our society so much better now that women act and are treated like men? Divorce, adultery, fornication, abortion, wayward children, being forced to work outside the home, etc. are at all-time highs. Some people would have us believe that before "women's liberation", women were just mistreated and abused by their selfish husbands who were more beast than man. Yet I am certain that there are many times more acts of violence committed against women and children now than back then. Did you know that  statistically, the most likely cause of death for expectant ladies, and those newly postpartum, is homicide at the hands of the baby's dad? You are never more likely to be murdered  by today's modern man who is so secure in his manhood that he doesn't mind sharing his authority with women than if you are pregnant or just had a baby.

Why wouldn't ladies rather be honored and exalted, instead of being expected to wear pants and shovel dirt all day? How come whenever kings and other monarchical rulers want to bring glory to themselves, they want to be elevated above their fellow citizens, not be just like them? Because they know that having a certain level of honor is something special. What is wrong with a husband thinking that his beloved wife is much too honorable to be out in the work force taking orders from other men, or that his children are much too precious to simply be left in the care of hirelings?

Voting is not in my area of responsibility, because as a woman, I am commanded to follow God and my husband. There should be one vote per household, and it should be the husband who casts it. Men are responsible for running the affairs outside the home, women are responsible for those inside the home.  

The one-way chain of command in the Bible is:


God
Husband
Wife
Children


Invariably, Christians who are inflamed by a position such as mine bring up Deborah, one of the judges of Israel. As if the fact that a woman was a judge automatically means it must have been right. The Bible also tells us about people who had multiple wives, committed adultery, were murderers or thieves, etc. 

Please feel free to disagree with me, as long as you realize that I am likewise entitled to my opinion. And if you are a Christian, you should be able to find concrete verses in the Bible to back up your beliefs on women voting, rather than just going by emotion and what we have been programmed to believe by our godless society. 


Edited to add:

Several readers commented saying that since women do have a right to vote, Christian conservative ladies should likewise vote (in some cases simply for the same candidates their husband voted for) in order to balance the scales. 


While I can understand their logic, I believe in absolutes. I believe it is wrong for women to vote based on principle, and my principles do not change based on the condition of our society. God is the one who ultimately controls who runs our country. Any time He wants, He could cause our entire government to collapse, and put whomever He wants in charge. 


For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them. - Psalm 75:6-8


And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: - Daniel 2:21

This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. - Daniel 4:17
 
 

We have wicked politicians because we, as a society, are wicked, and are reaping the curse of God for that. I for one do not believe that we as Christians will be able to earn favor with God and turn our country around by further disobeying his word, whatever our logical reasons might be. For every lady who decides to obey God and refuse to vote because the Bible says that women have no right to vote, even if humanly speaking that may seem counterproductive, God can bless such faith and obedience by providentially hindering one or more liberal feminists who are trying to go vote. 


Besides that, feminists who are aborting their children do much less to influence the next generation's voting pool than me, who will have contributed three men of voting age in about one more decade, and hope to add many more if God continues to bless us with children (who I hope will likewise do the same). 


(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) - II Corinthians 5:7


For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. - I Corinthians 3:19-20

78 comments:

  1. It's actually really interesting to read this, as the blog before you on my blogroll did a post about why she DID vote! I think I actually agree with you, but in my country voting is compulsory, and met with a rather hefty fine if you do not vote. The easiest way to bypass that is to never register as a voting citizen when you become of age, but unfortunately it's a bit late for me on that one, I'm already on the electoral role.

    I find it amazing the variation in beliefs even those with similar convictions have. I know a lot of large homeschooling families, people who stay home, let God control their reproduction, and see it as their God-given role to teach and raise their children in all aspects. And yet even among these groups the beliefs vary so drastically. Voting is one area, another example is you mention polygamy. We have a lot of the same beliefs as you, but while we don't practice polygamy ourselves, we don't believe it was ever biblically forbidden or is a sinful act (polygamy is not the same as adultery in our minds, adultery is still very wrong on multiple levels). But on the other hand, my husband and I have no issues listening to music or watching movies that are 'worldly' so long as they are seen for what they are (what children view is censored until they are old enough to understand what they watch/listen to and interpret it in context with the bible, just as they have to do with behaviours people show in the world they live in). Another difference is I wear a headcovering in church/bible study/when praying. In some ways I am more conservative, in other ways more liberal, and in many ways we are the same

    It just goes to remind us we have to take each family and person individually, we cannot and should not assume things about peoples personalities and beliefs.

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  2. Certainly a thought provoking post.

    I think this bit:
    "It is not because women are inferior or less intelligent. They simply fulfill a different role. Man was created by God for a certain purpose, and so was woman."
    is the big stumbling block in modern society.

    I'm not sure that things were better necessarily in the past though - just different. My Great Grandmother had a very difficult adult life until she was married because she married "late" (in her early thirties). Since she was expected to marry she was not eductaed to the same level as her brothers and whilst they were either taken into the family business or given money to set up their own, she was effectively turfed out to support herself which without a good education was very hard.

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  4. Abortion was not approved by a public vote. It was passed by the Supreme Court. If you're going to argue this, at least get your facts straight.

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  5. I do typically cast a vote, but I do so for the candidates my husband has voted for. Given that he is my authority I see my vote as an extension of his voice. If I were a single woman I would not vote. More often then not he votes while he is at work and there just isn't time to take me down to the voting station with all that needs to be done in the evening ( I do not yet have a drivers license).

    Good to see someone speak out on this issue :)

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  6. Roe v. Wade was Supreme Court decision. Decided upon by an all-male court. Males who were not elected, but appointed...by a male.

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  7. I agree that women shouldn't not be allowed to vote, but since the liberal women are out their voting, I believe us Christian women need to vote as well to strengthen the votes of our husbands. I will be voting exactly the same as my husband, so it's just as if he gets to vote twice.

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  8. "One example of this is abortion - more than 50% of men are against it, but more than 50% of women are for it, which is why it is legal."

    Actually, for the last ~35 years more than 50% of women and men have supported the legalization of abortion in some form. Additionally, percentage-wise more women than men believe abortion should be illegal in all cases (a statistic that has also remained stable since 1975.) While it is true that slightly more women than men believe abortion should be legal in every case without restriction or regulation, this view constitutes much less than even a bare majority, and doesn't change the fact that more women than men support completely outlawing abortion, and more men than women support retaining legalized abortion in some form.

    Source

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  9. Timothy 2:12 commands women to "be in silence."

    Why are you blogging, then?

    It seems that you pick and choose which parts of the Bible you obey.

    By failing to vote, you are giving feminists and liberals more power over you. Just so you know.

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  10. I believe in taking responsibility for one's own actions, not shoving the responsibility on someone else.

    If a man is so depraved as to murder his wife or child, that is his responsibility and his blame.

    If he is so weak as to be damaged by feminism, to the extent that he commits murder, then he is a weak man and not worthy of being followed.

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  11. As a liberal, I am glad you don't vote. I am glad that you blog about it, and convince other conservative women to do the same.

    It means that liberal values and beliefs are much more likely to be reflected in new laws! Laws that you must follow.

    Thank you, Zuzu, for not voting.

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  12. Why not vote like your husband and just help the Christian vote?

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  13. If every Christian voted (male and female)we could have a greatimpact on who would lead our nation.

    Beingmale does not always make one a great leader: Hitler, Castro, Kim Jung Il, Saddam Hussain) were/are male and they are horrible men.

    The most oppressive societies either deny all citizens or women the right to choose their leaders.

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  14. Sweetie, the more I read your blog, the sadder I feel for you. How horrible your upbringing or young life must have been, to allow you to accept and embrace such a lowly, degrading concept of your self-worth now! How limited your adulthood must currently be, to have generated such extremely narrow-minded, intolerant attitudes toward anyone the least bit different. How lonely, sad, and angry you must be inside, to have so little compassion for others.

    Jesus came NOT to condemn the world, but to save it. He commanded us to love God with all our heart, strength, and mind, and our neighbors as ourselves. Paul said the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, and by our fruits they shall know us.

    He wants YOU to have those fruits too, and to experience His LOVE, not the hatred and bitterness and never-failing-to-add-up that you feel every day in the legalistic false religion you find yourself in now. And He doesn't hate you because you're not a man. Really.

    I hope and pray for God's love to outshine all the negativity in your life right now. You are His beautiful creation, His lovely daughter, and He does not want you treated like this.

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  15. Context and a dictionary are your friends. I Timothy 2:12 was written to a pastor about practices in a church and "usurp" means to wrest power without authority; to take over illegally; to supplant. In other words, the women in the church are to learn with the meek and quiet spirit that God values and not grab the teaching authority and leadership in the church that God has given to the men.

    Nowhere does that verse or passage say that women in a democratic republic are not allowed to vote for the candidate that will most closely represent their values and/or will be in authority over them in government.

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  16. Whew,
    I am so glad you don't vote! It just kills me to think you might use your one vote to cancel out my rational one. What a freaking relief.


    (Maybe you could spread the good word of not voting to other conservative tea party lady friends? They have their dignity to uphold as well.)

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  17. Hexadecimal TerabyteNovember 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM

    Uh, why did you become a US citizen if you didn't intend to vote? That's kind of the point of becoming naturalized.

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  18. Take your husband and your pack of brats and go to Saudi Arabia. You'd like it there. Women HAVE to keep the home there, and they're definitely not allowed to vote. You guys would fit right in. I guarantee it. I'll even buy you lot plane tickets.

    How about it?

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  19. what would you do if you were required by law to vote?

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  20. I understand your position on absolutes, and I do respect that, but disagree slightly. I take the position though that my vote is an extention of my husbands and his vote is counted twice (once with his, and my vote is the same) Maybe I am being naive, but I dont see how voting is ubsurbing authority over men. I do not vote women into office. My opinion (my husbands actually) does not make anything law, it just counts toward the popular vote. The more conservative Christians that vote, the better. I do suspect that you will get many a nasty comments on this one though!
    Erin

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  21. if you don't vote, then you should complain about the politics. not voting means you give up the right to complain about government.

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  22. abba12, if I remember correctly you are Australian. You don't have to vote. On election day, rock up to the polling station, get your name crossed off the electoral roll, and then take your pieces of paper and put them straight into the box. You don't need to mark them at all. Then go and get a sausage in bread! Best part of the day ;)

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  23. I would like to know what kind of world you live in. If your husband honestly worships you, then I'm impressed and call you lucky. But it also makes me wonder what you think of women who get an education and go out to make a difference in the world. Are they horrible too for wanting something different than staying home and doing horribly mundane things over and over again? What about families where the FATHER stays home and takes care of the house? Is he a horrible man for sinking to the "woman's" job?

    And, as one Christian woman to another, the Bible was written by a man in a time when misogyn was prevalent. Human beings put the standards on each other for one being superior to another sex. God might have created Eve from the rib of Adam, but it was so that when they wed, they would be one WHOLE being. Now, how does a heirarchy in a marriage constitute to equality?

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  24. Personally, I believe that as we have the right as Americans to vote, we also should have the right not to. And, you are exercising that right based on your beliefs.

    People get ALL bent out of sorts when I make that statement, because they think that we HAVE to vote or we're bad people if we don't. Nope.

    People like to preach about freedom... as long as you do what they want. ;op

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  25. Several years ago, a family attended our church for a few months. Theman believed much like some people, that in no case, should a woman have any authority over any man.
    He objected strongly to a single woman in our church being nominated to serve as head of the finance committee (she would balance the check book, make deposits, pay bills, etc) She was highly qualifed since she was a CPA. He threw such a fit that sadly she left the church as did her parents and siblings.
    THis man is a pilot for a major airline. I'd hate to be on his plance when he encountered a female air traffic controller.

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  26. In reality, there is no such thing as not voting: you either vote by voting, or you vote by staying home and tacitly doubling the value of some Diehard's vote."
    — David Foster Wallace (Up, Simbal!: 7 Days on the Trail of an Anticandidate)
    Stay home!and PLEASE teach your daughters to do the same.

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  27. wow such negative comments!! for such rational people?! i agree with you but i do vote-my husband and i decide who is best and we vote. he asks for my opinion and i give it. if we disagree i vote the way he wants.

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  28. I agree with you. My daughter had to send in a copy of my granddaughter's birth certificate to avoid jury duty. One of my 3 married sons just called me to tell me he voted- and he didn't have to show photo I.D.-just signed next to his name. Years ago I would have disagreed with you. I thought the Republicans were going to put things into place so that abortion would be abolished. I like what a pastor(kingdombaptist.org) calls women in pants - crossdressing. One of the goals of the early feminists was to have women clergy. We have cameras at every other traffic light in this town(a $50 ticket)- eastern Long Island. An elderly man at church told me that our grandchildren will think that is normal. What do we think is normal but it is against the King James Bible and would be considered crazy by our ancestors? It is obvious that the agenda to put women in short hair and pants was to get them comfortable being taxpayers and joining the military.

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  29. WOW!The comments that have been made here hit me hard. I really enjoy reading your blog. It is a clear picture of what society has come to as far as many of the comments made here. I cannot say that I agree or do not agree with your position on women voters. Being a Christian woman myself, I know that I want to follow God's plan for my life. I want to obey His commands and do what's right. I think of the verse in Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. He doesn't change. The Bible might be archaic to some, but to me it is His living word, and if He says something He means it. People could argue that God's words don't mean this or they mean that. It is important as a Bible believing Christian that we read what he says and study the Bible to find the meaning if there needs clarification. It is obvious that some will not look at God in this way. That is why he gave us freedom to choose. Yes, freedom to choose to believe on or reject Him. Freedom to have our own beliefs. It is when we think that we are smarter than God is when we run into problems with what His words clearly say like, 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    I know one thing for sure, I would not put you down just because you choose a higher road than most. And because you have Bible based principals. Whereas others have principals without basis.

    I am very glad to hear your opinion on this subject. Not only that, your blogs are a refreshing. It is a hard road to hoe, living in these times with Bible principals. It is even more difficult to find those that share the same beliefs. If you truly desire the will of God in your life and strive for that each day, he will change your heart to love the things of God!

    Thank you...

    p.s. I have been wanting to tell you about a website I found that would send organic/bulk seasonal fruit and veggies and other items straight to you (almost) check it out...www.Ripe2u.com

    Leslye

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  30. I want to add that Bible-reading men give their daughters education and equal inheritance because they have read the last chapter of Job(King James Bible).

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  31. I'm glad you didn't vote. You silence your right to whine about the state of politics when you do not vote. So this should be the end of your whining about our government, right?

    You gave Arizona liberals your vote by choosing to stay home.

    You made my day. Thanks.

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  32. Thank you for not voting. What a wonderful example of a virtuous woman and American citizen you are.

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  33. I just checked on your statistics, and a 2009 Gallup poll showed 54% of men oppose abortion, while only 49% of women oppose abortion.

    You were right!

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  34. Scripture says that women are to be "submissive to her own husband" not to every man on the planet. We are to submit to authority (men & women alike) so shouldn't every Christian get out there and have a voice about who those people are? If we as Christian women stay home then we are allowing 1 vote per Christian home to every 2 votes per non Christian home. That is allowing people in governement who do not stand for biblical principles.
    Also, your views on women working in any capacity are a direct contradiction to the woman spoke of by Solomon in Proverbs 31. She kept her home and went into the market place to provide income for her family. I agree that a woman's 1st priority is to her husband, children and home; however, I do not agree that we should make a blanket statement that it is wrong for a woman to do any type of work outside of the home.
    I feel that I must add that I am a preachers kid to a KJV preaching independent Baptist preacher, married to a man with a Christian Ministries degree from a KJV independent Baptist Bible College& stay at home mom (who does freelance bookkeeping from home); not that any of that matters, but didn't want you to assume that I was one of the left-wing liberals that you reference in many of your blogs! :)

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  35. And yet here is an actual link to a 2009/2010 gallup poll on prolife on Gallup's actual website that shows a breakdown by gender. http://www.gallup.com/poll/128036/new-normal-abortion-americans-pro-life.aspx

    These numbers say 49% of men oppose abortion while 48% of women oppose abortion. Not a drastic difference.

    It seems like you can find a statistic for whatever you want on the internet these days.

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  36. Mrs. Weeks,

    one slight correction: the proverbs 31 woman delivered her products to the merchant, who was likely the one interacting with the customers. It never says she went out into the market herself.

    Besides that, I am not at all opposed to ladies pursuing work as long as it does not take them away from their first and most important obligation, i.e. their children. It would very much be possible to produce various items throughout the week, either in the evenings or with the children's help, and then sell those along with the children at a market on Saturday. Another option would be freelance work from home, such as yours. In fact, I for many years worked as a freelance professional translator from home, but have not done much in that area in the last couple of years because it simply was getting too hard with our ever growing family, and never financially necessary (I did it for my own personal enjoyment more than anything).

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  37. Out of curiousity...I definitely agree with your post above, about "casting" your vote through your daily decisions. I do not neccessarily disagree with this post either. I was wondering how this works in families where voting is very important to the husband. My husband, for example, believes that voting is very important. We discuss all of the issues on the ballot, but he doesn't tell me "how" to vote ( we tend to line up in opinions anyway, though I am more likely to be the one to bring the "research" on any particular issue to the table). I do feel that in many ways, I have to walk a very careful line between being a supportive helpmeet (brining him info. so that he can make goood leadership decisions, and actually "giving" him his position). I guess, I am curious that if this was the case with your husband, would you present him with the arguments you used from the bible, then allow him to make his own decision (about whether you shouldbe voting or not) then proceed as he asked; or would you continue not to vote regardless ?

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  38. Thank you for your clarification on your stand about women working. I agree completely with you that a woman's obligation is first to her home; however, I am also aware that there are women out there whose children would go without the necessities of life without their income. I am not going to pass judgement on their decision to work when their only motivation is to feed and provide for their family.
    I still disagree with your stand on women voting especially since reading many of your blogs and see that you do have a strong opinion about our current president and government. I strongly believe that someone who does not vote should not complain. Also, what are you teaching your children about honoring those in authority when you openly pass insults against them? While we are called to take a stand if those in authority go against God's law (Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego are the most know examples); never, do we hear them yelling insults or degradations against any of those kings. They simply exhalted God and gave Him glory. Also, all governments in the Bible were monarchy so we do not have a clear example of a democracy and how voting should be done. Therefore, I believe that Christians should strive to put those in office who are conservative and follow God's law; yet, pray for all in authority.

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  39. American Politics is just a big scam anyway. rigged in every conceivable way. One problem is that conservatives believe that voting in Republicans will be the magic ticket , their side wins so they go back to sleep. The march toward globalism goes on, no matter which party has the majority, as most politicians are bought and and controlled by the gloablists.

    Much wrong has been done wrong by conservatives too, even Saint Reagan and King Bush I & II.

    And no, I'm not a liberal or Democrat.

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  40. It is difficult for women who listen to women on TV teach men(one has very short hair-1Cor. 11-women are not to have short hair and men are not to have long hair), and celebrate Halloween(one woman TV teacher told a Halloween costume story on TV) to understand that in Timothy (KJV) we are told women are not to have authority over men(a primary goal of the suffragettes). The early feminists of American history may have been anti-abortion but they wanted women clergy. I wonder if they realized the door they were opening up- women in military and sports,abortion, etc. A few TV "Christian" teacher programs are really Amplified "Bible" infomercials- they are getting money for pushing that one. Maybe this is all about people not reading the true Bible- the King James Bible. I would only use a KJV Bible curriculum- Abeka, Landmark Freedom Baptist, etc. for homeschooling. My oldest son's Christian school used Abeka.

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    1. Men are not allowed to have long hair...you mean like Sampson maybe? Idiot.

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  41. I applaud you for sharing your perspective. I guess I have a different take on it in my life. I see voting as an important piece in the role of caregivers. The state of a nation directly affects families, particularly children. Voting for pro-family candidates is a way that I care for my family and friends. I see the role of voter very much compatible with, and even required of, being a woman.

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  42. How is it that your husband let you on the computer then? Get back in the kitchen. That's obviously where you belong and for good reason. I just wish someone would take your kids away from you before you infect them with your stupid. Yeesh. Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed.

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    1. Agreed. Obviously being in the kitchen making cookies all day was God's obvious intent for women. How dare they want to have an equal stance in life, I mean, who do they think they are, actual human beings? Rubbish.

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  43. Here is the source of a lot of the negative anonymous rude people. http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/3525/t/Women-should-not-vote.html

    Some people have nothing better to do.

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  44. Hi Zsuzsanna,

    Wow! You certainly raised some eyebrows with this post, didn't you?

    I find it amusing how all these people that disagree with you leave such nasty comments. Equally amusing is how they leave them under "Anonymous," rather than signing their names. I'm not sure why they read your blog if they dislike you so much?!

    I am not a Christian and do not agree with a lot of what you post. That being said, I respect that you have principles that you follow and do not waiver in the face of criticism. In addition, you are willing to share what you believe with the world and publish comments from those that not only disagree with you, but are disrespectful to you. Kudos to you for your bravery!

    I wonder if the "liberals" that post such hurtful comments would be half as tolerant on their own blogs. (That is, if they weren't so busy hiding behind anonymity.)

    Wishing the best to you and your family,

    Lisa

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  45. The Amish don't vote-do they? Neither do the Jehovah's Witnesses(started by a Mason as his grave site reveals). The Amish were persecuted for years because of their beliefs of pacifism etc. But TV has made them acceptable. I don't hear anyone saying they should vote etc.

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  46. Hallo Zsuzsanna,

    danke für dein klares Statement was das Wählen betrifft. Ich kann deinen Gedankengängen durchaus folgen. In der Schweiz hat es übrigens sehr lange gedauert, bis tatsächlich alle Kantone den Frauen das Wählen erlaubt haben. Ich glaube der letzte Kanton ist in den 90ern "gefallen". Die Schweiz ist ja sehr stark calvinistisch beeinflusst. Es gibt auch Christen, die überhaupt nicht wählen, also auch nicht die Männer. Z. B. weil sie Demokratie als unbiblische Staatsform ansehen. Es gibt sicher auch noch andere Beweggründe, die müsste ich aber erst mal nachschlagen. Das nur Landbesitzer zu den Zeiten der Gründungsväter wählen durften, habe ich auch schon mal gehört. Oder das nur pro Haushalt gewählt wurde, dass z. B. auch volljährige Söhne, die noch zu Hause lebten, nicht wählen durften, da sie der Autorität ihres Vaters unterstanden.

    Ich finde es bewundernswert, dass du so stark an Absolutismen glaubst, ich persönlich sehe viele Dinge in der Bibel jedoch eher als richtungsweisend mit kleinen Puffern, in denen etwas Luft zum atmen bleibt. Ein Beispiel ist z. B. die Haarlänge bei Frauen. Hier wird nicht berücksichtigt, dass es z. B. Frauen in einigen Stämmen Ost- und Südafrikas gibt, deren Haare gar nicht wachsen. Die haben von Natur aus eine Glatze. Oder die Haare sind so kraus, dass sie eher nach oben als nach unten wachsen (Afrofrisur). Ab einem gewissen Stadium lassen sich solche Haare weder waschen noch kämmen. Solche Frauen können auf natürliche Weise keine langen Haare züchten sondern müssten mit Perücken, Extensions oder chemischer Haarbehandlung nachhelfen. Das kann man aber auch nicht konsequent durchziehen, weil sowas die Kopfhaut sehr belastet u. zumindest zeitweise zu Gesundheitsproblemen führen kann. Wenn solche Frauen Christen werden muss man glaube ich ein bisschen relativieren, was die langen Haare angeht. Ich würde denen eher dazu raten sich so zu kleiden, dass ihr Geschlecht klar erkennbar ist und niemand rätseln muss, mit wem er es zu tun hat.

    Auch was Make Up betrifft würde ich relativieren. Ich finde es ist ein Unterschied ob man sich anmalt um Aufmerksamkeit auf sich zu ziehen oder ob man unreine Haut mit ein bisschen Puder und Foundation kaschiert. Nicht jeder hat von Natur aus makellose Haut und manchmal kann es auch ein Akt von Nächstenliebe sein, wenn man ein bisschen auf sein Äußeres achtet. Ich weiß wovon ich rede, ich fahre täglich mit öffentl. Verkehrsmitteln und begegne einer Vielzahl von ungepflegten Personen. Da bin ich dankbar für jeden gepflegten Menschen.

    Aus den Negativkommentaren kann man sehr gut herauslesen, dass es vielen einfach an Gottvertrauen mangelt. Ob deine Position 100 % theologisch astrein ist vermag ich noch nicht zu beurteilen, aber was ich daraus lesen kann ist das Vertrauen, dass Gott letzendlich alle Dinge in der Hand hat. Und wenn dir der Heilige Geist
    das so gezeigt hat, dann würde ich es an deiner Stelle auch so praktizieren. Ich bin schon der Meinung dass der Heilige Geist mit jedem individuell arbeitet und manchen Leuten Dinge in der Bibel zeigt, die er anderen nicht zeigt. Oder zwei Leute sehen zwei unterschiedliche Aussagen in ein und demselben Bibelvers. Das habe ich schon öfter im Hauskreis erlebt. Letztendlich sollen wir ja aus Glauben und Gewissen heraus handeln.

    Liest du eigentlich auch zwischendurch mal in einer deutschen Bibel und wenn ja in welcher?

    LG Rebecca

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  47. Wow, reading some of the comments on this post has made me very, very sad. I am a Christian woman who, at 18, relished the chance to vote, relished the opportunity for "my voice to be heard", however the more I read God's word, the more I realize that may not be the way He intended things to be. I love God with all my heart and soul and what I want is to please him. Thank you for this post, and may the Lord continue to richly bless you and your family (and all His people).

    Lots of Love!

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  48. Paul was no sexist, but rather a champion of the equality of men and women before God. (Galatians 3:28) --A strong contrast to the chauvinistic teaching of many of his contemporaries. Paul recognized that male-female equality did not require abolishing all role distinctions, which were defined by God in creation.

    You have taken verses in the Bible where it says that women shouldn't be leaders.....IGNORED the surrounding passages, meanings, etc.....and have just decided that they all mean women shouldn't vote. What you have affectively done, is take some big problems America has today (Divorce, adultery, fornication, abortion, wayward children) and BLAMED THEM ON THE FACT THAT WOMEN VOTE- NOT ON THE FACT THAT SATAN IS WORKING IN FULL FORCE IN THIS WORLD TO TURN MORAL STANDARDS INTO MUTE POINTS. To say that voting is not "your area of responsibility: is to IGNORE EVERY MORAL STANCE OF GOVERNMENT AND THE REASONS CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE INVOLVED iN THE FIRST PLACE.

    IF YOU HEAR NOTHING ELSE I SAY YOU SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT YOUR QUOTE AT THE END: "Invariably, Christians who are inflamed by a position such as mine bring up Deborah, one of the judges of Israel. As if the fact that a woman was a judge automatically means it must have been right." YOU FLAT OUT SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH IN THE BIBLE DEBORAH WAS A JUDGE<AND THE LORD MADE HER A JUDGE THAT DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT???SO IN YOUR MIND EVEN THOUGHT THE BIBLE/THE LORD says it is ok, YOU says it isn't. How ARROGANT!!!!!! YOU are flat out saying that since the Bible is proving you wrong, then the Bible must be wrong.
    The fact of the matter if you look into Judges 4:4 was that The Bible records several women who held national leadership positions, and Deborah was an exceptional woman. Obviously she was the best person for the job, and God chose her to lead Israel. God can choose anyone to lead his people, young or old, man or woman.
    You goes on to say that "The Bible also tells us about people who had multiple wives, committed adultery, were murderers or thieves" .......THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE THE LORD CONDONES THIS BEHAVIOR. There are instances where these situations took place, but they are used to show us how the Lord hates evil, punishes it, and does not condone it. There is also such a thing as CONTEXT. YOU didn't give any specific verses regarding the above sins, or I would debate you on those as well, instead you just chose to spout off heresy to prove a ridiculous point.

    Christianity is about much more than salvation; it speaks to all of life. "Jesus is Lord" was the earliest baptismal confession. Scripture mandates taking dominion and cultivating the soil. (Genesis 1) and being salt and light (Mt 5:13-16). Abraham Kuyper, former Dutch prime minister and theologian, famously said, "There is not a square inch in the whole domain of human existence over which Christ, who is sovereign over all, does not cry out "Mine!".
    No area of cultural engagement is more important that government and politics; NO AREA IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GOVERNMENT AND POLITICS THAN VOTING.

    You are flat out helping Satan on his voyage to destroying this nation morally. Congratulations with that!

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  49. Zsuzsanna,

    What if a Christian husband asked his wife to vote with him? If she said no to him would she then fail in being in submission? If she said yes and voted would she then be usurping authority over other men?

    It's a valid question and I'm curious as to what your answer is.

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  50. Ephesians 5:25 says that husbands are to love their wives-King James Bible. Verses 1-21 address the church sa a group. Verses 22-24 and verse 33b speaks to wives and then verses 25-33a speaks to husbands. A true Christian husband that truly loves and cherishes his wife would not ask her to do anything that is against the Bible or ask her to do something she is uncomfortable with. generationcedar.com has a great post about the feminist movement and its history. She does not vote.

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  51. Taryn, you said, "A true Christian husband that truly loves and cherishes his wife would not ask her to do anything that is against the Bible or ask her to do something she is uncomfortable with."

    I agree 100%.

    Problem is, if you're right and it's a sin for a woman to vote, then there are easily hundreds of "true Christian husbands" who have never heard of this before or do not agree, so my questions remains the same:

    If a Christian husband asked his wife to vote with him? If she said no to him would she then fail in being in submission? If she said yes and voted would she then be usurping authority over other men?

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  52. Hi, Just saw this post and the part that pulled me in was the reference to Debra. She is so often portrayed as a feminist - but I don't see that. She only went to fight with her husband's blessing and she would not go without Barak's leadership. After this one chapter in her life, where did she go next - I think right back to her husband and family. I do not see her at any time coming out from under her husband's authority.

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  53. I just feel so sad that you don't know the love of Jesus as an EQUAL member of HIS children.

    I highly recommend that you *NEVER read a Bible verse*

    If your husband allows you to do individual Bible study, you may want to read the CONTEXT of the individual Bible verses, you'll be surprised.

    Stop the hate. Jesus loves EVERYONE, including the gays you and your husband hate.

    It's so sad. This is the saddest blog I have ever read, and I really hope you can eventually break these chains.

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  54. “So now maybe we women are "liberated" and "get" to vote, but at what cost? Is our society so much better now that women act and are treated like men?”

    I once heard a quote in a movie where Alice Paul says: “I don't have any illusions about women; there are good and bad just like men. I don't know what women are going to do with their vote and I don't care.”
    First of all having a voice in your own government is a basic human right, and not a privilege that should be exclusively given to men. Women didn’t want the right to vote because they wanted to become like men, but because they wanted to have a voice in the government that they were being governed by. Not giving women the basic rights that men were freely given, rights that any human being should have, is unconscionable and not to mention unconstitutional.

    -It's sexism, being discriminated against because of your gender.

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  55. “Yet I am certain that there are many times more acts of violence committed against women and children now than back then. “

    It is not worse for women today because of women's liberation but because women are still not seen as equal inheritors of human rights. Men who kill, dominate and abuse are weak minded individuals who get their identity (aka measure their masculinity) by whether or not their women follow and obey them. They feel threatened by empowered women instead of realizing that they deserve to be treated equal.

    …But the best way to counteract your statement is by giving you a quote from a book written by Harriet H. Robinson (1881) “Massachusetts in the Woman Suffrage Movement.” She says: "By the English common law, her husband was her lord and master. He had the custody of her person, and of her minor children. He could 'punish her with a stick no bigger than his thumb,' and she could not complain against him."
    Because we now have some laws that actually protect women, any violence committed against them is now more in the open. So it is not that it is worse for women, but since we actually have rights we are able to fight against it.

    Also, the biggest problem was that if a woman was being abused by her husband, a woman would not have been able to leave him because she would not have been able to take care of herself or take care of her kids, let alone get custody of them because 1) He had custody of HER, because she was not LEGALLY a citizen of her own country. 2) She had NO means of providing for herself or for her children and 3) She could not afford an attorney. (As if that would've helped anyways, since he literally owned her like cattle)

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  56. (cont'd)

    And even if she did have a job, it would not have paid nearly enough money for her to be able to provide for her or her family because the jobs that did enable people to provide for themselves and their families didn't hire women because they were women. Not to mention, most women were uneducated because, well, what was the use of educating a woman when all she was useful for was for marrying, cleaning and popping out a ton of babies?


    Here are some facts about how women were treated before the feminist movement:

    • Married women were legally dead in the eyes of the law
    • Women were not allowed to vote
    • Women had to submit to laws when they had no voice in their formation
    •Married women had no property rights
    •Husbands had legal power over and responsibility for their wives to the extent that they could imprison or beat them with impunity
    •Divorce and child custody laws favored men, giving no rights to women
    •Women had to pay property taxes although they had no representation in the levying of these taxes
    • Most occupations were closed to women and when women did work they were paid only a fraction of what men earned
    • Women were not allowed to enter professions such as medicine or law
    • Women had no means to gain an education since no college or university would accept women students
    •With only a few exceptions, women were not allowed to participate in the affairs of the church
    •Women were robbed of their self-confidence and self-respect, and were made totally dependent on men

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  57. “Why wouldn't ladies rather be honored and exalted, instead of being expected to wear pants and shovel dirt all day? “

    First of all shoveling dirt?! No, no, she is a Doctor, Writer, Lawyer, Firefighter, CEO, Teacher, Nurse, Surgeon, Psychologist, Police officer , Judge, Politician, Artist, Architect, Counselor, etc.

    Just because you think it is absurd that a woman would want to shovel dirt all day, that was the woman’s choice to do so and women’s lib made it possible for her to even have that choice, and get equal pay doing so!

    As I have said, feminism is not about becoming like a man, it is about women having the right to CHOOSE what she wants for her life and get equal pay, equal rights, equal opportunity’s, etc. Instead of it being dictated by a bunch of chauvinistic, narcissistic men who think the world belongs to them.

    When I first read your blog I assumed that the problem was that you were just misinformed. But the real problem is that that you believe in very specific rigid roles for both women and men. (I.e.: men work/women stay at home, men lead/women obediently follow, etc.) So I realize that giving you a history lesson on what the suffrage/feminist movement was really about probably won’t change your mind about women being seen and treated as equals. But I hope you at least realize that all your bogus accusations are based upon preconceived ideas and not based on facts. The first rule of writing is that you first check all our facts before you even write an article, let alone post it.

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  58. My mistake, I made it sound like Women actually get paid equally as much as men do. My point was supposed to be that we are still working towards that, and to show that we still need the feminist movement.. Ps, Women only get paid 70cents to a mans dollar.

    Even though we have laws that protect women, they don't protect women enough, the statistics prove that..

    "In the US, 23 women a week are killed by intimates.74% of women murdered from instances of domestic violence were murdered after the woman left the relationship, filed for divorce or got a restraining order. Our government has failed to protect women from abusive partners, and band-aid solutions like restraining orders are proven to be, ultimately, ineffective. Until we start taking domestic violence seriously on a legislative level, this percentage will stay about the same. The only country with more women known to have been killed by domestic violence than the US is Russia.

    up to 700,000 rapes occur in the USA each year. 18% of American women have survived a rape or attempted rape."

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  59. I'm a conservative Christian and agreed with your post completely. Thanks for blogging!

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  60. I agree with Jennifer. I do vote, because my husband is in agreement with my vote. Would I be ok with it if tomorrow, women were not allowed to vote? Sadly, yes. I say sadly because feminism runs rampant, and feminist views which are far from God and family are as common as cockroaches. Why would women want "rights" that allow them to do things that are not in agreement with their Godly husbands? This is the kind of thing that has led to the rise of feminism, abortion and the demise of the family unit. I am not drug around by the brain by my husband. He doesn't "order me around", because he doesn't have to. He is led by the Lord, as am I, so I already know the path that we are on, and as such, I don't have to be told what to do. I already know. There have been times in which my husband and I have been in disagreement, and after discussion, he realized that I had shed light on things that he hadn't considered. The final decisions are his, but he asks for my wisdom and input, as I ask for his. This is because we are as one flesh in Christ, from the day God joined us together. I'm not a whipping boy at home, or treated as a child - I am his partner, friend, lover and helpmeet. I am his wife. Our political views are the same, therefore, I vote. Our home, actions and votes are decided by our beliefs as Christians. If my husband and I were in political disagreement, I would not vote, as this would dishonor my husband, and I won't do that; however, with my eyes on God, along with my husband's, we choose to live this way, knowing that if we trust in the Lord with all our hearts and lean not unto our own understanding, but in ALL our way, acknowledge Him - he will direct our paths. And with that path, so goes the vote.

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  61. Another thing - giving up your right to vote is not the same thing as choosing not to vote. And a person who chooses not to vote DOES INDEED still have the right to complain about politics, government or anything else if they wish. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that you lose your first amendment right to free speech if you choose not to vote. That is commonly parroted drivvel from people who disagree, but can only use other people's quotes and snappy comebacks, rather than putting meat to their arguments

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  62. I totally agree with you. I don't believe women were designed with the capacity to bear the burden of responsibility tied to voting because we were designed to support our husbands (who WERE designed to bear that burden). I believe current generations are VERY shortsighted as they look in to the past and can't see beyond the (very recent) liberally-dominated culture in this country to see any truth. Women's "liberation" was prompted by women for women (out from under the authority where God placed them)and it has only led to confusion, destruction, and division. I believe our role is not to be a voting voice, but a praying one. Thank you for sharing truth.
    By the way, your family is beautiful.

    ~Katie
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    http://mskatiesartstudio.blogspot.com
    Http://www.sbgstudio.etsy.com

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  63. It's absolutely false to think of traditional gender roles as "natural". They are, almost completely, cultural constructs, that take place within a certain social context and vary extremely widely in human societies.
    "That thinking was the norm not even a century ago". Along with segregation, lynching negroes, and a lack of individual freedom for whole sectors of society.
    "It used to be as natural as air for most of human history". That's because for most of human history, nobody had a vote. Enfranchisement is a recent thing, and even more recent for women. It's something that your fellow women struggled very hard and even died for.
    And even back then there was "adultery, fornication, abortion, wayward children". These things were just hypocritically covered up, and not spoken of.
    "women were just mistreated and abused by their selfish husbands". It's not that all were, but some definitely were, and couldn't escape from abusive relationships, sometimes featuring rape and violence. If a woman can escape more easily now from that kind of situation, that is a good thing.
    "More acts of violence committed against women and children now than back then". Hard to prove, since a lot of domestic violence back then was simply covered up. Anyway, the point is to end violence against women altogether, not merely to minimise it.
    The oppressive nuclear family marriage set-up, when it truly is oppressive, is so for women and men.
    "today's modern man who is so secure in his manhood that he doesn't mind sharing his authority with women". Makes no sense. As a man, I have no "authority" over women, or anyone else, unless I'm a policeman or something. And I highly doubt those men who kill their partners are easy-going feminist types, more likely they're controlling and manipulative.
    "Honored and exalted". How is it "honoring and exalting" you to use you as a breeding machine and unpaid household servant, chained to the kitchen sink all your life?

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    1. I totally agree with you! Love what you said! Posted it to my "wall." I wish more women could get this, and stop trying to be men and do what God intended them to be. They'd be happier. And "black michael" must not have read the entire article, just what he wanted. It isn't about women being baby machines or being over powered. It is about women being cared for and loved, respected, and valued. Not put at risk or taken for granted, or expected to live a life of stress and servatude to anyone but her family and God. It is a sad state our society is in that family, marriage and children are looked at as dispicable and something to avoid at all costs. It is even more sad that pregnancy is viewed as a disease to be cured, prevented and treated.

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  64. Galatians 3:28

    There is neither Jew nor Greek,
    there is neither slave nor free man,
    there is neither male nor female;
    for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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  65. thank you for posting exactly what God's Word says and means. A lot of women and men (including saved men and women) are offended by what God has to say, and usually lash out unwarented accusations. You have born it beatifully and with grace, a wonderful example of a godly woman. A woman that is fulfilling the roll that God put in place for all women to fulfill.

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  66. I this post is absolutely absurd. Not only do you believe and encourage a twisted caste system, where from birth you are confined to roles of which you did not choose, but you have no shame in discarding human rights that many people died to give you, all in the name of what scripture vaguely describes was a cultural norm at the time.. If you decide to forfeit your right to vote, then fine, but then don't you dare complain .

    Perhaps you'd like to give up your right to free speech as well? Maybe lose your driving privileges? Be revoked of education? If you wish to believe that women were created merely to be breeding cows that are confined at home, then go ahead and waste your life, but God created man and woman to co-rule the earth together as a team.

    And I agree with you Black Michael, but just because there are societal constructs out there does not mean that we as a people do not have a responsibility to stand up to it.

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  67. It is so sad that there are women that actually think like this. Oh well, like the others said. One less uninformed, uneducated, blindly conservative with an outdated outlook of the world to vote against me & my progressive majority.

    No, seriously. I wish you would actually vote. Do you know how many women fought and gave up everything just so we could have the right to be our own people? Not just a partner for a man? Do you believe there are only Christian women in the world? Do you think everyone wants to live the life you do? Because guess what lady, there are a lot of people, women and men, that do not want to live like you. But you can't be bothered to think of them and their best interests. I would never vote to take your right away to do whatever you do in your Christian, Religious life. Never.

    PS. Leaving my comment with my name and not anonymous in the hopes you'll see I'm not just a troll hating on you. I stumbled across this post and felt I needed to voice my thoughts on the matter.

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  68. Hey, if you want to live a limited life by a 2,000 year old book written by a human and not a God as you seem to believe, fine. If you think a loving God wants people to be confined to silly gender roles and not maximize their full potential to do far greater things, that's fine. Frankly, I'm glad you choose not to vote, because you're clearly not capable of thinking for yourself. Encouraging other people to take on your absurd and archaic beliefs however, is dangerous. You're not doing women a favor, you're setting them back. Way, way back. Guess what, countries that don't allow women to vote actually have the highest incidences of violence against women. Men that share your beliefs are more likely to abuse their female partners since they see them as inferior beings by virtue of their sex. That's what most women had to put up with before the feminist movement. Congratulations on encouraging oppression and misogyny.

    P.S. Go visit a battered women's shelter, share with them the exact same drivel that you wrote here, and come back to tell us what there responses were. I can't wait to read it.

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  69. Thank you so much for your wonderful blog! I’m sorry I came to this discussion late, but until this country comes to its senses and revokes the “right” of women to vote—and forever bans women from voting—the discussion is still relevant. I believe that allowing women to vote is possibly the worst mistake since our nation’s founding—and certainly the worst mistake in the last 100 years. You have listed the reasons so beautifully that I won’t repeat them all. The bible makes it clear that women were put on this earth to bear children and to serve their husbands. Any woman who cannot find fulfillment in those roles needs to read her bible—and pray for the Lord to guide her back to her proper path! The bible also makes it clear that no woman is ever to be in a position that would put her in authority over a man. The outcome of the last few elections should make it clear that the female vote is ruining this country. It must be revoked!
    I want also to agree with your views on women’s dress. Yes, women who wear pants are cross-dressing! How things have turned for the worst. When I was in high school in the early 1970s we were required to wear dresses that completely covered the knees. Any girl who wore a dress any shorter than that was sent home to change. Any girl who dared wear pants to school was suspended for a week! (And this was a public school!!) Oh, how times have changed for the worst, sad to say.
    I also wanted to say how much your boys remind me of my sons, back in the day, and now my grandsons. All had neat, clean buzz cuts as your boys do—or even shorter. No long haired boys for us! I’ve always owned clippers and have always kept the boys’ heads shaved. It looks so well groomed.

    Thank you, again, for your wonderful blog. My God continue to bless you and your family.

    Marlene

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      Thank you for your kind words. May God bless you and yours.

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    2. This is a joke, right?

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  70. I must confess, my jaw just hit the table after reading this archaic blog post. Did you somehow stumble upon a time machine that took you back to the early part of the 19th century? I can only hope that if you have any daughters, they somehow gain enough self esteem to go out into the world and enjoy some of the rights that we women have fought long and hard for. I feel very sorry for you.

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  71. Please consider Deborah of the bible. Her voice was heard by ALL of Israel, both men and women, and her position was definitely ordained by God.

    I am a Christian woman, and have been oppressed by men both believing and non-believing throughout my entire life. It's time for women to think critically and for themselves. The Word says we are to be in submission to one another, not to be a doormat and give up our rights and position to further God's agenda and principles to any one person.

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good women do nothing.

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  72. You have a twisted and weird logic there. Do I even dare to call it logic? First you say, women could theoretically cancel out male votes and get someone into power who isn't intended to, and then you say this:

    Any time He wants, He could cause our entire government to collapse, and put whomever He wants in charge.

    So what is it now? If you truly think that, then it wouldn't matter at all if you vote or not. Because he will make it right, anyway....
    Yes, I am happy too that you don't vote.. I now need to untwist my brain from whatever your article was.

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